CHAT
23.1.2021[]
http://www.schoenberg.ee/index2.php/index.php?sitesig=SB&page=SB_060_Arhiiv&subpage=ARH_PNP_2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_equal_temperament
15:08
Gerhard ja Hans
15:08
Külli and Kenneth
hans you are dropping out a lot
15:22
https://parnu.wikia.org/et/wiki/LUDUS_MICROTONALIS
15:30
Gerhard ja Hans
Gradus ad Parna22um Composition Challenge: Hereby Gerhard and me will invite everybody to the 22-EDO violin challenge. Plese write little two-voice exercises for two violins. One exercise is more restricted, the other more free. These exercises should be in Porcupine[7] or Orwell[9], you can also do both. For becoming familiar with the scale I prepared the scales in Sevish’s Scale Workshop, just click to the link and play with you computer keyboard. The violin notation is shown in the extra pdf document. Generally it is also possible to write some graphic score in Extended Scale Degrees (e.g. extending them with line for the duration) without exact rythmical notation, only depicting which pitches are sounding at the same time. We will translate that for ourselves into violin notation. We would be lucky, if we would receive your contributions until next Wednesday, January 13th. Porcupine[7] Composition Exercise 1) for two violins - Scale: D-Porcupine 3433333, Scale Workshop link: https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=Porcupine%5B7%5D%203433333&data=163.63636363636363%0A381.8181818181818%0A545.4545454545455%0A709.0909090909091%0A872.7272727272727%0A1036.3636363636365%0A1200.&freq=293.664768&midi=62&vert=5&horiz=1&colors=white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black&waveform=triangle&env=organ - Range: -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 (extended scale degrees) - Only one note against one note Counterpoint through the whole exercise - no larger steps then 5 scale degrees - prefer smaller steps - no restrictions in movement: you can move in parallel, in same direction, in opposite direction - Exercise begins and ends with D unison (0 0) or with D octave (0 9) - No voice crossings - moderate tempo please - not too complicated rythms please - if necessary, in rare cases you can violate this rules Porcupine [7] Composition Exercise 2) for two violins - Scale: D-Porcupine 3433333, Scale Workshop link: https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=Porcupine%5B7%5D%203433333&data=163.63636363636363%0A381.8181818181818%0A545.4545454545455%0A709.0909090909091%0A872.7272727272727%0A1036.3636363636365%0A1200.&freq=293.664768&midi=62&vert=5&horiz=1&colors=white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black&waveform=triangle&env=organ - Range: -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 (extended scale degrees) - approx. 90% 2 and more notes agains another note - no larger steps then 5 scale degrees - approx. 10-20% one violin plays alone - prefer smaller steps - no restrictions in movement: you can move in parallel, in same direction, in opposite direction, you can have side mpvements - Exercise ends with D unison (0 0) or with D octave (0 9) - No voice crossings - moderate tempo please - not too complicated rythms please - if necessary, in rare cases you can violate this rules Orwell[9] Composition Exercise 1) for two violins - Scale: D-Orwell[9] 23223 2323 in 22-EDO, Scale Workshop link: https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=D-Orwell%5B9%5D%2023223%202323&data=109.0909090909091%0A272.72727272727275%0A381.8181818181818%0A490.90909090909093%0A654.5454545454545%0A763.6363636363636%0A927.2727272727273%0A1036.3636363636365%0A1200.&freq=293.664768&midi=62&vert=5&horiz=1&colors=white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black&waveform=triangle&env=organ - Range: -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 (extended scale degrees) - Only one note against one note Counterpoint through the whole exercise - no larger steps then 6 scale degrees - prefer smaller steps - no restrictions in movement: you can move in parallel, in same direction, in opposite direction - Exercise begins and ends with D unison (0 0) or with D octave (0 9) - No voice crossings - moderate tempo please - not too complicated rythms please - if necessary, in rare cases you can violate this rules Orwell[9] Composition Exercise 2) for two violins - Scale: D-Orwell[9] 23223 2323 in 22-EDO, Scale Workshop link: https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/?name=D-Orwell%5B9%5D%2023223%202323&data=109.0909090909091%0A272.72727272727275%0A381.8181818181818%0A490.90909090909093%0A654.5454545454545%0A763.6363636363636%0A927.2727272727273%0A1036.3636363636365%0A1200.&freq=293.664768&midi=62&vert=5&horiz=1&colors=white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black%20white%20white%20black%20white%20black&waveform=triangle&env=organ - Range: -3 -2 -1 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 (extended scale degrees) - approx. 90% 2 and more notes agains another note, 10% 1 note against 1 note - no larger steps then 6 scale degrees - approx. 10-20% one violin plays alone - prefer smaller steps - no restrictions in movement: you can move in parallel, in same direction, in opposite direction, you can have side mpvements - Exercise ends with D unison (0 0) or with D octave (0 9) - No voice crossings - moderate tempo please - not too complicated rythms please - if necessary, in rare cases you can violate this rules
15:31
neutralsecond
😃
15:36
Gerhard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutral_interval
15:37
neutralsecond
13/12 or 12/11 are examples of neutralsecond intervals for instance 😃
15:37
Gerhard ja Hans
exaclty
13/12 is around 138.6 cent
15:39
Vlady Bystrov
i don't know why my mic is doesn't work
15:39
Gerhard ja Hans
12/11 is around 150.6 cents, reallly exactly between the 12-EDO minor second and 12-EDO major second
15:40
Gerhard
right side of the microphne button you can open the menu to makes changes
15:40
Vlady Bystrov
it doesn't work..try all the time to change the parameters..(
15:41
Gerhard
than make a restart, this always helps 😃
15:42
Vlady Bystrov
ok
15:42
Gerhard
https://sevish.com/scaleworkshop/
15:42
neutralsecond
feedback problem
15:43
Külli and Kenneth
juhans feedback...
15:45
24.1.2021[]
Fellow Jitster
Gerhard kas sa ei kuule mind
16:17
Fellow Jitster
we are in 2d dimension
16:17
Fellow Jitster
võib-olla see Jackerveri install ajas kõik sassi
16:17
Fellow Jitster
jah
16:18
Fellow Jitster
16:23
Fellow Jitster
Arvuti13:~ hans-gunterlock$ jacktrip -s Cannot read socket fd = 7 err = Operation timed out CheckRes error Could not read result type = 22 Client name = JackTrip conflits with another running client Cannot connect to the server JackShmReadWritePtr1::~JackShmReadWritePtr1 - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock JackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock JackShmReadWritePtr::~JackShmReadWritePtr - Init not done for -1, skipping unlock libc++abi.dylib: terminating with unexpected exception of type std::runtime_error: Maybe the JACK server is not running? Abort trap: 6
16:23
Fellow Jitster
which jackd
16:41
Fellow Jitster
andrus.kallastu@eesti.ee
16:43
Fellow Jitster
vlady@bystrov.de
16:45
Fellow Jitster
https://cleanfeed.net/studio?kflak
16:47
Gerhard
gerhard.lock@tlu.ee
16:50
Fellow Jitster
andrus@ooper.parnu.ee
16:53
Hans
hans-gunter.lock@artun.ee
EVERYBODY NEEDS A HEADPHONE SET!!!!
Ma katsetan
praegu ma ei kuule ega räägi
ärge cleanfeedi väljalülitage
17:14
Fellow Jitster
hans there is no sound from your side
17:15
Fellow Jitster
I think we stop now and continue tomorrow at 10
17:28
25.1.2021[]
10.00 Gradus ad parnassum[]
Külli and Kenneth
kennethflak@protonmail.com
10:02
Hans
PLease click the link in your email from Cleanfeed
10:06
Külli and Kenneth
didnt receive it yet...
10:06
Hans
Juhani you should receive an email from Cleanfeed, pleas click on the link in the mail
10:12
Juhani Nuorvala
Yes,got it but will need to switch to Chrome now. WIll be back
It only works in Chrome.
10:13
Hans
Scales in Sevish: https://drive.google.com/file/d/12lnwrI3jiHF-5MS6bky7PEq3CZKkuejz/view?usp=sharing
Solfedgo for 22 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mRizayU6bfn-q--6NEfCzDafjnP_obsa/view?usp=sharing
Interval list: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bwp2TO5SlRwt3SoqDvvbGx3Um-UTcG2F/view?usp=sharing
10:17
Gerhard
Hans has an echo again
10:55
Hans
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-TqXfMDB02V5243I9AvCsH2XeTsccGD0?usp=sharing
11:47
15.30 Hans-Gunter Lock[]
Hans
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yM4EYh8wccsX_q1jq1nPViHkNF2utWGV/view?usp=sharing
15:29
Gerhard
Link siin chättis.
15:34
Hans
tehke lahti helik6guste_matemaatika fail
15:35
Gerhard
Tere kõigile, kes vahepeal on liitunud meiega. Igaks juhuks kordan, et palun laadida alla siin eespool toodud G-Drive zip-faili materjalidega. Need on samad materjalid, mida lektor ekraanil näitab ja täiendab.
Harry Partch - Castor and Pollux https://youtu.be/kCuYcS_Lcro?t=8 0:08 kuni umbes 0:50 Kithara (paremal) Surrogate Kithara (keskel) Cloud Chamber Bowles (vasakul)
15:53
Hans
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yM4EYh8wccsX_q1jq1nPViHkNF2utWGV/view?usp=sharing
15:54
Gerhard
Harry Partch - Castor and Pollux https://youtu.be/kCuYcS_Lcro?t=8 0:08 kuni umbes 0:50 Kithara (paremal) Surrogate Kithara (keskel) Cloud Chamber Bowles (vasakul) https://youtu.be/kCuYcS_Lcro?t=256 4:16 kuni umbes 5:30 Diamond Marimba Bass Marimba Easly Blackwood - Fanfare in 19-EDO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB4nwq8NGYI pange tähele neid kohti: 0:40; 1:09; 1:20; 2:07
15:55
Hans
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yM4EYh8wccsX_q1jq1nPViHkNF2utWGV/view?usp=sharing
15:55
16.15 Külli Roosna ja Kenneth Flak[]
Külli and Kenneth
roosnaflak.com
16:22
Hans
deterministlik: vastand = mittedeterministlik
algoritmid on nad kõik
algoritm võib olla kas deterministlik või mittedeterministlik
algoritm = käskluste jada
16:43
luulur
Tahaksin kah küsida? Et kas see Kennethi ja Külli värk on patenteeritud või nad lubavad ja võimaldavad sellega tegutsemist?
16:43
Hans
igaüks võib neid sensoreid osta ja ise midagi neile programmeerida
16:44
luulur
Asin on vist selles, et sõna 'programmeerimine' kõlab minu jaoks pelutavalt ja olen praktiliselt kindel, et ma ei oska programmeerida.
(Palju õnne, Indrek!)
16:50
Indrek Palu
Aitähh, herr Malin!
16:51
luulur
(Ja see õnn ärgu olgu üksnes digitaalne.)
16:51
Gerhard
Minu Hansu mainitud artikli ingliskeelne versioon: http://pmp.du.lv/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/23-34_PMP_2020_Vol-19-2-4_LOCK.pdf
16:56
luulur
Kas Hans mäletab ütlemist "Kõik uus on hästi unustatud vana."?
16:58
Gerhard
Jah, sageli ongi nii 😃
16:58
Hans
täpselt nii on
16:59
Gerhard
Eestikeelne pikem versioon "Uus ja vana muusikaloo kategooriatena" on ilmunud TLÜ kirjastuses 2020: Eesti teaduskeel keelterikkas teadusmaailmas Koostanud ja toimetanud Peep Nemvalts https://www.tlu.ee/pood/home/321-eesti-teaduskeel-keelterikkas-teadusmaailmas.html
16:59
Hans
ega meil see pole muudmoodi kui moetööstuses
16:59
Gerhard
😄
17:00
luulur
Muutub kontekst. Ideed ise pole uued, aga kontekstid jätavad neist uue mulje.
17:00
Hans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdTVQWpH7Mg
17:01
Gerhard
Nõus, seegi võib olla
17:01
Hans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsR7EQgG7N0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GALMmVZ49Pc
17:01
Indrek Palu
Hans, endast lugupidav postmodernist juba ammu ei stressa uuenduslikkuse teemal. Peaasi, et rokib!
17:01
Hans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrawKucSSRw
David Rockeby
17:02
Gerhard
😄
17:02
Hans
Indrek: just niimoodi 😄
Indrek: btw Palju õnne!
17:04
luulur
Kuidas nimetatakse seda, kui muusika tekitab liikuvat pilti?
17:04
Indrek Palu
Danke schön, herr Lock!
17:05
Hans
Bitteschön
17:05
luulur
Mikker vist jälle ei tööta. Küsimus oli ajendet ühest esinemisest 2004 või nii EMTA kammersaalis. Sääl 2 saksafonisti improviseerisid ja mingi arvutiürogrammi põhjal tekkis ekraanile nende mängitust pilt.
17:10
Indrek Palu
Max / jitter koostöös!
17:11
luulur
Margo Kõlar oli siis tehnika eest hoolitseja. Ta ütles, et seda programmi akadeemial pole. See olevat liig kallis.
17:11
Gerhard
Käe žestidest arendatud notatsioon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheironomy
17:13
Hans
arvan, et see oli 2004 omal ajal improvisatioonid SmallFishíga
17:13
luulur
Hansul võib muidugi õigus olla!
17:13
Indrek Palu
jajahh!
17:13
Hans
Aga seal ei mõjutanud improvisaatori helisid otseselt videot. Oli nii, et üks inimene mängis arvutis seds SmallFish'i, mis oli videoprogramm, millest ise liikusid mingid elemendid ja neid elemente sai ümber suunata. SmallFish genereeris ka ise heli, mõnikord seda ka sai seda ka kontserdis kuulata, kuidas need videoelemendid puutuvad vastu seina või põrkuvad kokku ja siis tekkis elektrooniline heli.
17:16
luulur
Jube kihvt, et Hansust õhkub särinat ka siis, kui ta ei räägi.
17:16
Hans
😄
17:16
Gerhard
Huvitav artikkel: https://academicjournals.org/journal/JMD/article-abstract/4F44E0257447
17:17
Indrek Palu
Põhimõtteliselt viiulimäng ongi mikrotonaalne, tonaalsus viiulimängus on üks suur bluff.
17:17
luulur
Pean Hansu seletuse pääle vist veel mõtlema. Olin seni veendunud, et toonasest mängust tekkis originaalpilt.
17:17
Gerhard
Framework for music improvisation and performance: Body/instrument and body/mind connections
Nõus, Indrek 😉 tonaalsus viiulimängus piiritleb mind 😄
17:19
luulur
Kas see läheb kah millegi alla, kui keegi kasutab oma permantsis kontaktmikrofone? Nad ei tee häält oma hääleorganitega, aga nende liigutusist tekivad (peamiselt rütmilised) helid.
'performantsis
17:21
Hans
Kui heli ja pilt on näha/kuulda korraga, ja kui nende vahel tundub olevat mingit seos, siis ei saa alati öelda publiku positsioonist, kumb kumba tegelikult mõjutab.
17:24
Gerhard
Ma pean kahjuks praegu järgmisele üritesele minema. 17.30 lahkun Jitsist.
17:25
Hans
Gerhard, mis kell sa vabaned?
17:25
Gerhard
Kell 20 ma pakun
17:25
Indrek Palu
Peakohal süttib ohulambike! Toomas Siitani lemmikfraas.
17:27
Hans
OMG 😄
17:29
Gerhard
Head aega 😃
17:32
Külli and Kenneth
ciao!
17:32
26.1.2021[]
10.00 Gradus ad parnassum[]
15.00 avatud töötuba[]
Hans
arvutiga on midagi kööga
15:02
Hans
kas kuulet
15:06
http://www.schoenberg.ee/index2.php/index.php?sitesig=SB&page=SB_060_Arhiiv&subpage=ARH_PNP_2021
https://parnu.wikia.org/et/wiki/LUDUS_MICROTONALIS
15:23
Hans
http://www.schoenberg.ee/index2.php/index.php?sitesig=SB&page=SB_060_Arhiiv&subpage=ARH_PNP_2021
https://parnu.wikia.org/et/wiki/LUDUS_MICROTONALIS 15:23
15:36
Külli and Kenneth
cleanfeed.net
15:41
27.1.2021[]
10.00[]
Hans
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-TqXfMDB02V5243I9AvCsH2XeTsccGD0?usp=sharing
10:06
Gerhard
Hi, please send me the Cleanfeed invitation 😃
10:13
Külli and Kenneth
https://cleanfeed.net/c?tcuS3NHS7p0Yu1mF
10:14
Gerhard
Ei tööta... 😦
Now I am in, hi to all 😃
10:21
Külli and Kenneth
hi guys, got to run. Suddenly have a lot of programming to do for Friday 😄
10:42
OK
we meet at 15.00
10:43
Külli and Kenneth
Ciao!
10:43
ciao
10:43
Stephen Weigel
Hey all, I've got to go. Had fun singing!
11:08
Nice!
11:09
28.1.2021[]
15.00[]
Hans
Here is my material, 2 minutes, should be at the end 4.20 minutes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sNpdlkz7EgDM2vddlS5XpYRQKseySeVC/view?usp=sharing
15:09
https://parnu.wikia.org/et/wiki/LUDUS_MICROTONALIS
https://parnu.wikia.org/et/wiki/LUDUS_MICROTONALIS?veaction=editsource§ion=15
29.1.2021[]
10.00[]
Vlady Bystrov
Moin, Hans, wasist heute die Planung? Jetzt für die Stunde..Bei mir funktioniert video und sound nicht..ich werde jetzt ins studio hren und komme rein von dort..
10:04
Gerhard
Moin moin Vlady 😃 wir switchen gleich um 😃
10:05
Vlady Bystrov
Ok
ja
ich fahre jetzt ins studio
wie lange seid noch da
was machen wir jetzt? heute?
ok..dann fahre jetzt ins studio..bin in 20 minuten da
10:06
Gerhard
Wann bist Du im Studio?
10:07
Vlady Bystrov
falls keiner mehr da ist, dann sehen wir uns um mittag?
Ja, genau,bis gleich..
10:07
Gerhard
Wir starten in 10 min, komme dann dazu...
10:08
Hans
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sjn0jUCPSRqy2QCrTJOkioiHVqzrFRpm/view?usp=sharing
10:29
Luulur
Why don't I hear anything?
Kuulen!
10:53
Hans
Me oleme cleanfeedis, palun saada oma meiliaadress, saadan sulle cleanfeedkutset vastu
10:53
Luulur
Teie mind mitte?
10:54
Hans
me teeme solfedgod cleanfeedis
10:54
Luulur
Mu meil: malin@folklore.ee
solfedžo pole mu tugevus, tõesti
10:54
Gerhard
Pole midagi, kuula ja naudi 😃
10:55
Luulur
Nii et ma tulen kl 15. Bye!
10:55
Hans
saadetud
10:55
Gerhard
Jaan, palun kasuta kõrvaklappe 😃
11:00
Luulur
Ma võtsin mikri välja.
11:04
Gerhard
väga hea
11:05
Luulur
Vahepeal kaob Andruse kaja ära.
Mis teen? Lähen ära?
Bye!
11:07
Gerhard
Bye bye 😃
In 10 min I have to switch to a school ZOOM meeting...
11:46